Olisi odella tärkeää saada pidettyä Iran aivan rauhassa, eikä missään tapauksessa ajettava sitä ainakaan nurkkaan. Pelkään samaa asiaa, joka tuossa Ari Rusilan blogissa mainitaan….sotaa ja sitä fataaleinta niistä, tässä tapauksessa.
Noin kuukausi sitten oli RT:ssa vihje, että Netanjahu kävi tapaamassa Medvedeviä ja uhkasi hyökätä Iranin ydinlaitoksia vastaan taktisilla ydinaseilla.
Tämä kielsi sen jyrkästi ja ilmoitti, että Venäjä ei seuraa sivusta jos Irania vastaan hyökätään. Tätä tietoa ei ole vahvistettu.
The assumptions most Americans hold about Iran and its policies are wrong
Belief: Iran is aggressive and has threatened to attack Israel, its neighbors or the U.S.
Reality: Iran has not launched an aggressive war modern history (unlike the U.S. or Israel), and its leaders have a doctrine of ”no first strike.” This is true of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, as well as of Revolutionary Guards commanders.
Belief: Iran is a militarized society bristling with dangerous weapons and a growing threat to world peace.
Reality: Iran’s military budget is a little over $6 billion annually. Sweden, Singapore and Greece all have larger military budgets. Moreover, Iran is a country of 70 million, so that its per capita spending on defense is tiny compared to these others, since they are much smaller countries with regard to population. Iran spends less per capita on its military than any other country in the Persian Gulf region with the exception of the United Arab Emirates.
Belief: Iran has threatened to attack Israel militarily and to ”wipe it off the map.”
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Reality: No Iranian leader in the executive has threatened an aggressive act of war on Israel, since this would contradict the doctrine of ’no first strike’ to which the country has adhered. The Iranian president has explicitly said that Iran is not a threat to any country, including Israel.
Belief: But didn’t President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad threaten to ”wipe Israel off the map?”
Reality: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad did quote Ayatollah Khomeini to the effect that ”this Occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time” (in rezhim-e eshghalgar-i Qods bayad as safheh-e ruzgar mahv shavad). This was not a pledge to roll tanks and invade or to launch missiles, however. It is the expression of a hope that the regime will collapse, just as the Soviet Union did. It is not a threat to kill anyone at all.
Belief: But aren’t Iranians Holocaust deniers?
Reality: Some are, some aren’t. Former president Mohammad Khatami has castigated Ahmadinejad for questioning the full extent of the Holocaust, which he called ”the crime of Nazism.” Many educated Iranians in the regime are perfectly aware of the horrors of the Holocaust. In any case, despite what propagandists imply, neither Holocaust denial (as wicked as that is) nor calling Israel names is the same thing as pledging to attack it militarily.
Belief: Iran is like North Korea in having an active nuclear weapons program, and is the same sort of threat to the world.
Reality: Iran has a nuclear enrichment site at Natanz near Isfahan where it says it is trying to produce fuel for future civilian nuclear reactors to generate electricity. All Iranian leaders deny that this site is for weapons production, and the International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly inspected it and found no weapons program. Iran is not being completely transparent, generating some doubts, but all the evidence the IAEA and the CIA can gather points to there not being a weapons program. The 2007 National Intelligence Estimate by 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, including the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency, assessed with fair confidence that Iran has no nuclear weapons research program. This assessment was based on debriefings of defecting nuclear scientists, as well as on the documents they brought out, in addition to U.S. signals intelligence from Iran. While Germany, Israel and recently the U.K. intelligence is more suspicious of Iranian intentions, all of them were badly wrong about Iraq’s alleged Weapons of Mass Destruction and Germany in particular was taken in by Curveball, a drunk Iraqi braggart.
Belief: The West recently discovered a secret Iranian nuclear weapons plant in a mountain near Qom.
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Reality: Iran announced Monday a week ago to the International Atomic Energy Agency that it had begun work on a second, civilian nuclear enrichment facility near Qom. There are no nuclear materials at the site and it has not gone hot, so technically Iran is not in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, though it did break its word to the IAEA that it would immediately inform the UN of any work on a new facility. Iran has pledged to allow the site to be inspected regularly by the IAEA, and if it honors the pledge, as it largely has at the Natanz plant, then Iran cannot produce nuclear weapons at the site, since that would be detected by the inspectors. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted on Sunday that Iran could not produce nuclear weapons at Natanz precisely because it is being inspected. Yet American hawks have repeatedly demanded a strike on Natanz.
Belief: The world should sanction Iran not only because of its nuclear enrichment research program but also because the current regime stole June’s presidential election and brutally repressed the subsequent demonstrations.
Reality: Iran’s reform movement is dead set against increased sanctions on Iran, which likely would not affect the regime, and would harm ordinary Iranians.
Belief: Isn’t the Iranian regime irrational and crazed, so that a doctrine of mutally assured destruction just would not work with them?
Reality: Iranian politicians are rational actors. If they were madmen, why haven’t they invaded any of their neighbors? Saddam Hussein of Iraq invaded both Iran and Kuwait. Israel invaded its neighbors more than once. In contrast, Iran has not started any wars. Demonizing people by calling them unbalanced is an old propaganda trick. The U.S. elite was once unalterably opposed to China having nuclear science because they believed the Chinese are intrinsically irrational. This kind of talk is a form of racism.
Belief: The international community would not have put sanctions on Iran, and would not be so worried, if it were not a gathering nuclear threat.
Reality: The centrifuge technology that Iran is using to enrich uranium is open-ended. In the old days, you could tell which countries might want a nuclear bomb by whether they were building light water reactors (unsuitable for bomb-making) or heavy-water reactors (could be used to make a bomb). But with centrifuges, once you can enrich to 5% to fuel a civilian reactor, you could theoretically feed the material back through many times and enrich to 90% for a bomb. However, as long as centrifuge plants are being actively inspected, they cannot be used to make a bomb. The two danger signals would be if Iran threw out the inspectors or if it found a way to create a secret facility. The latter task would be extremely difficult, however, as demonstrated by the CIA’s discovery of the Qom facility construction in 2006 from satellite photos. Nuclear installations, especially centrifuge ones, consume a great deal of water, construction materiel, and so forth, so that constructing one in secret is a tall order. In any case, you can’t attack and destroy a country because you have an intuition that they might be doing something illegal. You need some kind of proof. Moreover, Israel, Pakistan and India are all much worse citizens of the globe than Iran, since they refused to sign the NPT and then went for broke to get a bomb; and nothing at all has been done to any of them by the UNSC.
Sen vastaus iskuihin tulee olemaan järkyttävä, niinkuin se on luvannutkin.
Aivan eri luokkaa kuin Irakin kanssa.
Tätä massiivista sotaa ovat hullut USA:n hallinnon taustalla halunneet jo pitkään. Dick Cheney myönsi julkisesti, että hän olisi halunnut jo tehdä iskut.
Sota on ”hyvää” bisnestä. Ja hoitaa myös liikakuluttajien kysymyksen.
# 5
Niin ja Hormuzin salmen kautta kulkee suurin osa lähi-idän öljystä. Salmi on vain 12 km leveä ja Iranilla on paljon kuorma-auton lavoilta ammuttavia raketteja. Liikutelvia kohteita on vaikea tuhota, ja tankkerit ovat hitaita, eivätkä pysty väistelemään.
Sodasta seuraisi koko maailman lama välittömästi koska energian hinta monikertastuisi. [Vrt. kun Enronin pojat hieman kikkaili sähkötuotannon kanssa ja sai aikaan 5 %:n vajeen Kaliforniassa, sähkön hinta kipusi jopa nelinkertaiseksi muutamassa päivässä.]
Islam on rauhan uskonto. Tämän olemme saaneet lukea ja kuulla erittäin monista lähteistä aina professoritasoa myöden. Me suomalaiset emme vain ymmärrä sikäläistä retoriikkaa. Jos Iranin johtaja puheessaan esittää kiivaasti pommittavansa Israelin tasa-maaksi ja hävittävänsä juutalaiset maan päältä ei hän tätä tarkoita. Hän vain ilmaisee islamilaisittain värikkäästi, että hän ei itseasiassa oikein pidä juutalaisista.
Sotaa on turha pelätä. Kyllä maailmaan tyhjää mölyä mahtuu.
Islam on rauhan uskonto. Autuaita ovat rauhantekijät.
Salopaavolle sen verran,
että wahhabismi tulee Arabian niemimaalta. (Tämä on ääriliike 1700-luvulta johon myös Osama bin Laden kuuluu).
Se propagoi vääräuskoisia vastaan ja on sitä mieltä että myös Islaminuskoisia ”tulee tappaa kuin koirat”, jos eivät kannata wahhabismiä.
Se, että jatkuvasti syötetään, että kyseinen ääriliike on sama kuin Islam, on yhtä valheellista kuin sanoa että ”kristitty liike” joka vei 918 kannattajaansa kuolemaan (itsemurhia ja murhia) etelä-Amerikassa, edustaa kristillistä kirkkoa.
ELÄMME JO VALLANKUMOUKSELLISESSA TILANTEESSA
http://www.markusreed.julkaisee.fi ”Räsäsen seinälehti”
Suomen punaisin Päätoimittaja Markus ”Red” Räsänen kommentoi:
VALLANKUMOUS EI ODOTA ENÄÄ TYHJIÄ LUPAUKSIA
Iranin alueella sattuu olemaan niin paljon ryöstettävää öljyä, että ei se niiltä rosvoilta rauhaa saa.
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Olisi odella tärkeää saada pidettyä Iran aivan rauhassa, eikä missään tapauksessa ajettava sitä ainakaan nurkkaan. Pelkään samaa asiaa, joka tuossa Ari Rusilan blogissa mainitaan….sotaa ja sitä fataaleinta niistä, tässä tapauksessa.
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Noin kuukausi sitten oli RT:ssa vihje, että Netanjahu kävi tapaamassa Medvedeviä ja uhkasi hyökätä Iranin ydinlaitoksia vastaan taktisilla ydinaseilla.
Tämä kielsi sen jyrkästi ja ilmoitti, että Venäjä ei seuraa sivusta jos Irania vastaan hyökätään. Tätä tietoa ei ole vahvistettu.
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Tämäkin kannattaisi huomioida:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/10/01/cole/
The top ten things you didn’t know about Iran
The assumptions most Americans hold about Iran and its policies are wrong
Belief: Iran is aggressive and has threatened to attack Israel, its neighbors or the U.S.
Reality: Iran has not launched an aggressive war modern history (unlike the U.S. or Israel), and its leaders have a doctrine of ”no first strike.” This is true of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, as well as of Revolutionary Guards commanders.
Belief: Iran is a militarized society bristling with dangerous weapons and a growing threat to world peace.
Reality: Iran’s military budget is a little over $6 billion annually. Sweden, Singapore and Greece all have larger military budgets. Moreover, Iran is a country of 70 million, so that its per capita spending on defense is tiny compared to these others, since they are much smaller countries with regard to population. Iran spends less per capita on its military than any other country in the Persian Gulf region with the exception of the United Arab Emirates.
Belief: Iran has threatened to attack Israel militarily and to ”wipe it off the map.”
Click Here Click Here
Reality: No Iranian leader in the executive has threatened an aggressive act of war on Israel, since this would contradict the doctrine of ’no first strike’ to which the country has adhered. The Iranian president has explicitly said that Iran is not a threat to any country, including Israel.
Belief: But didn’t President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad threaten to ”wipe Israel off the map?”
Reality: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad did quote Ayatollah Khomeini to the effect that ”this Occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time” (in rezhim-e eshghalgar-i Qods bayad as safheh-e ruzgar mahv shavad). This was not a pledge to roll tanks and invade or to launch missiles, however. It is the expression of a hope that the regime will collapse, just as the Soviet Union did. It is not a threat to kill anyone at all.
Belief: But aren’t Iranians Holocaust deniers?
Reality: Some are, some aren’t. Former president Mohammad Khatami has castigated Ahmadinejad for questioning the full extent of the Holocaust, which he called ”the crime of Nazism.” Many educated Iranians in the regime are perfectly aware of the horrors of the Holocaust. In any case, despite what propagandists imply, neither Holocaust denial (as wicked as that is) nor calling Israel names is the same thing as pledging to attack it militarily.
Belief: Iran is like North Korea in having an active nuclear weapons program, and is the same sort of threat to the world.
Reality: Iran has a nuclear enrichment site at Natanz near Isfahan where it says it is trying to produce fuel for future civilian nuclear reactors to generate electricity. All Iranian leaders deny that this site is for weapons production, and the International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly inspected it and found no weapons program. Iran is not being completely transparent, generating some doubts, but all the evidence the IAEA and the CIA can gather points to there not being a weapons program. The 2007 National Intelligence Estimate by 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, including the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency, assessed with fair confidence that Iran has no nuclear weapons research program. This assessment was based on debriefings of defecting nuclear scientists, as well as on the documents they brought out, in addition to U.S. signals intelligence from Iran. While Germany, Israel and recently the U.K. intelligence is more suspicious of Iranian intentions, all of them were badly wrong about Iraq’s alleged Weapons of Mass Destruction and Germany in particular was taken in by Curveball, a drunk Iraqi braggart.
Belief: The West recently discovered a secret Iranian nuclear weapons plant in a mountain near Qom.
Quantcast
Reality: Iran announced Monday a week ago to the International Atomic Energy Agency that it had begun work on a second, civilian nuclear enrichment facility near Qom. There are no nuclear materials at the site and it has not gone hot, so technically Iran is not in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, though it did break its word to the IAEA that it would immediately inform the UN of any work on a new facility. Iran has pledged to allow the site to be inspected regularly by the IAEA, and if it honors the pledge, as it largely has at the Natanz plant, then Iran cannot produce nuclear weapons at the site, since that would be detected by the inspectors. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted on Sunday that Iran could not produce nuclear weapons at Natanz precisely because it is being inspected. Yet American hawks have repeatedly demanded a strike on Natanz.
Belief: The world should sanction Iran not only because of its nuclear enrichment research program but also because the current regime stole June’s presidential election and brutally repressed the subsequent demonstrations.
Reality: Iran’s reform movement is dead set against increased sanctions on Iran, which likely would not affect the regime, and would harm ordinary Iranians.
Belief: Isn’t the Iranian regime irrational and crazed, so that a doctrine of mutally assured destruction just would not work with them?
Reality: Iranian politicians are rational actors. If they were madmen, why haven’t they invaded any of their neighbors? Saddam Hussein of Iraq invaded both Iran and Kuwait. Israel invaded its neighbors more than once. In contrast, Iran has not started any wars. Demonizing people by calling them unbalanced is an old propaganda trick. The U.S. elite was once unalterably opposed to China having nuclear science because they believed the Chinese are intrinsically irrational. This kind of talk is a form of racism.
Belief: The international community would not have put sanctions on Iran, and would not be so worried, if it were not a gathering nuclear threat.
Reality: The centrifuge technology that Iran is using to enrich uranium is open-ended. In the old days, you could tell which countries might want a nuclear bomb by whether they were building light water reactors (unsuitable for bomb-making) or heavy-water reactors (could be used to make a bomb). But with centrifuges, once you can enrich to 5% to fuel a civilian reactor, you could theoretically feed the material back through many times and enrich to 90% for a bomb. However, as long as centrifuge plants are being actively inspected, they cannot be used to make a bomb. The two danger signals would be if Iran threw out the inspectors or if it found a way to create a secret facility. The latter task would be extremely difficult, however, as demonstrated by the CIA’s discovery of the Qom facility construction in 2006 from satellite photos. Nuclear installations, especially centrifuge ones, consume a great deal of water, construction materiel, and so forth, so that constructing one in secret is a tall order. In any case, you can’t attack and destroy a country because you have an intuition that they might be doing something illegal. You need some kind of proof. Moreover, Israel, Pakistan and India are all much worse citizens of the globe than Iran, since they refused to sign the NPT and then went for broke to get a bomb; and nothing at all has been done to any of them by the UNSC.
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Ja mielenkiintoinen keskustelu aiheesta käydääm täällä:
http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=276140
Henry
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Iranilla on kemiallisia ja biologisia aseita.
Sen vastaus iskuihin tulee olemaan järkyttävä, niinkuin se on luvannutkin.
Aivan eri luokkaa kuin Irakin kanssa.
Tätä massiivista sotaa ovat hullut USA:n hallinnon taustalla halunneet jo pitkään. Dick Cheney myönsi julkisesti, että hän olisi halunnut jo tehdä iskut.
Sota on ”hyvää” bisnestä. Ja hoitaa myös liikakuluttajien kysymyksen.
Ilmoita asiaton viesti
# 5
Niin ja Hormuzin salmen kautta kulkee suurin osa lähi-idän öljystä. Salmi on vain 12 km leveä ja Iranilla on paljon kuorma-auton lavoilta ammuttavia raketteja. Liikutelvia kohteita on vaikea tuhota, ja tankkerit ovat hitaita, eivätkä pysty väistelemään.
Sodasta seuraisi koko maailman lama välittömästi koska energian hinta monikertastuisi. [Vrt. kun Enronin pojat hieman kikkaili sähkötuotannon kanssa ja sai aikaan 5 %:n vajeen Kaliforniassa, sähkön hinta kipusi jopa nelinkertaiseksi muutamassa päivässä.]
Henry
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Aivan, hyviä ja asiantuntevia kommentteja teillä.
Tämä on hyvin vakava asia, josta voi poikia jotain aivan hirveää. Itse pelkään sodan syttymistä tuolta käsin todella paljon.
Se on kaiken lisäksi aivan realistinen asia. Ei mitään huuhaata.
Eeva
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Mm. # 7
Islam on rauhan uskonto. Tämän olemme saaneet lukea ja kuulla erittäin monista lähteistä aina professoritasoa myöden. Me suomalaiset emme vain ymmärrä sikäläistä retoriikkaa. Jos Iranin johtaja puheessaan esittää kiivaasti pommittavansa Israelin tasa-maaksi ja hävittävänsä juutalaiset maan päältä ei hän tätä tarkoita. Hän vain ilmaisee islamilaisittain värikkäästi, että hän ei itseasiassa oikein pidä juutalaisista.
Sotaa on turha pelätä. Kyllä maailmaan tyhjää mölyä mahtuu.
Islam on rauhan uskonto. Autuaita ovat rauhantekijät.
Ilmoita asiaton viesti
Salopaavolle sen verran,
että wahhabismi tulee Arabian niemimaalta. (Tämä on ääriliike 1700-luvulta johon myös Osama bin Laden kuuluu).
Se propagoi vääräuskoisia vastaan ja on sitä mieltä että myös Islaminuskoisia ”tulee tappaa kuin koirat”, jos eivät kannata wahhabismiä.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi
Se, että jatkuvasti syötetään, että kyseinen ääriliike on sama kuin Islam, on yhtä valheellista kuin sanoa että ”kristitty liike” joka vei 918 kannattajaansa kuolemaan (itsemurhia ja murhia) etelä-Amerikassa, edustaa kristillistä kirkkoa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown
Henry
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